Comments on: How To Make Great Sourdough Bread With High-Protein White Bread Flour https://www.theperfectloaf.com/sourdough-bread-high-protein-white-bread-flour/ Learn to Bake Sourdough Bread Wed, 30 Jul 2025 16:44:39 +0000 hourly 1 By: Richard https://www.theperfectloaf.com/sourdough-bread-high-protein-white-bread-flour/#comment-44705 Wed, 30 Jul 2025 16:44:39 +0000 https://www.theperfectloaf.com/?p=20414#comment-44705 Thank you Maurizio you’ve made my bread even better. I can’t believe It. This while time I thought high protein was the best for artisan loafs. Just made a batch using 11.5% Protein and wow super thin crust and great crumb.

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By: Maurizio Leo https://www.theperfectloaf.com/sourdough-bread-high-protein-white-bread-flour/#comment-42484 Fri, 11 Apr 2025 08:34:15 +0000 https://www.theperfectloaf.com/?p=20414#comment-42484 In reply to Jennifer .

This is a great tip for other Canadian bakers who might be wondering why their dough looks different from what they see in videos or photos from American bakers. Adjusting hydration upward (a great fix!) or using all-purpose instead of bread flour can make a difference.

Thanks for sharing your experience—these regional flour differences are so important to understand!

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By: Maurizio Leo https://www.theperfectloaf.com/sourdough-bread-high-protein-white-bread-flour/#comment-42481 Fri, 11 Apr 2025 08:16:49 +0000 https://www.theperfectloaf.com/?p=20414#comment-42481 In reply to Pete Schendel.

You've already identified several key insights—especially about fold intensity and frequency being a balancing act. Too gentle and the dough lacks strength; too aggressive and you break down what you've built.

For bulk fermentation timing, I'd recommend focusing less on the clock and more on visual cues. Look for about a 30-50% volume increase, domed surface, and bubbles visible along the sides of your container. These indicators work across different flours and environments.

Switching to a moderate protein flour (11-12%) might give you that more open crumb you're seeking. The extremely high protein durum wheat can indeed create a tighter structure that's harder to expand, but I've seen this with durum regardless. It does tend to produce a tighter crumb. You might find that bread flour or a good all-purpose flour blended with your whole wheat gives you better results, but the flavor of durum is fantastic. A tradeoff.

I'm looking forward to hearing how that transition goes! Keep experimenting and enjoying your baking journey.

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By: Maurizio Leo https://www.theperfectloaf.com/sourdough-bread-high-protein-white-bread-flour/#comment-42480 Fri, 11 Apr 2025 08:15:09 +0000 https://www.theperfectloaf.com/?p=20414#comment-42480 In reply to Cate.

Cate, I completely understand what you're aiming for with your sourdough. That middle ground between ultra-open crumb and more substance is actually what many bakers prefer – bread that's both beautiful and practical for everyday use.
Your 80% KA AP/10% bread flour blend at 75% hydration with an extended autolyse is a solid approach. It's all about making bread that suits your preferences rather than following trends.

Keep baking and enjoying the process!

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By: Cate https://www.theperfectloaf.com/sourdough-bread-high-protein-white-bread-flour/#comment-41906 Sun, 23 Mar 2025 08:35:46 +0000 https://www.theperfectloaf.com/?p=20414#comment-41906 I grew up eating San Francisco sourdough, and my quest for the perfect loaf is to avoid the tooth-pullingly chewy Boudin-style bread.

Since relocating and not wanting to spend nearly $70 on shipping Central Milling flours, I am now blending 80% King Arthur All-Purpose Flour with 10% Bread Flour at a hydration level of 75%. Believe Maurizio Leo when he emphasizes the benefits of autolyse; I let my dough autolyse for two hours to achieve a thin, crispy crust and an open crumb—but not so full of holes that every topping leaks out. While it may be sacrilegious to some, a sourdough bread crumb that is too airy is not my ideal. After a lifetime of enjoying sourdough from the most renowned bakeries in the San Francisco Bay Area, I now prefer a loaf that has more substance and actual bread than holes.

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By: Pete Schendel https://www.theperfectloaf.com/sourdough-bread-high-protein-white-bread-flour/#comment-41453 Sat, 15 Mar 2025 09:02:38 +0000 https://www.theperfectloaf.com/?p=20414#comment-41453 I've been making sourdough bread for several years using high protein flour( I think its the Dururm wheat variety) without realizing the consequences. The bread was reasonable, tasted excellent, but not as open as would like. I usually add 10 to 20% high protein whole wheat flour to high protein white flour and am getting reasonable crumb if I autolyse 2-3 hours with a hydration around 80%. then use the Rubaud Kneading method to incorporate the levain and start developing dough strength before initiating the stretch and folds. I found out over time to properly build structure one had to do the correct folds the correct number of times. Too many folds or too strong folds could break the structure into a sticky mess. I am still struggling to determine the correct time of bulk fermentation before shaping. Lastly it has also taken time to learn correct shaping techniques. Even if you do all this right, You still have to score it correctly and bake it for the right time at the right temperature. Its been an adventure, but I have been determined to figure this out because I like my sourdough bread so much better than the grocery story breads and even the sourdough bakery breads. I am going to switch over to lower protein flours as soon as my supply of high protein flour is depleted. I hope I see a lighter more open structure with a lot of the same taste I get with high protein flour. I'll keep you posted.

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By: Jennifer https://www.theperfectloaf.com/sourdough-bread-high-protein-white-bread-flour/#comment-39954 Fri, 07 Feb 2025 11:30:33 +0000 https://www.theperfectloaf.com/?p=20414#comment-39954 In reply to Jennifer .

Sorry don't know how to edit. I meant to say my flour at the beginning!

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By: Jennifer https://www.theperfectloaf.com/sourdough-bread-high-protein-white-bread-flour/#comment-39953 Fri, 07 Feb 2025 11:28:10 +0000 https://www.theperfectloaf.com/?p=20414#comment-39953 I'm from New Brunswick , Canada. Thank you for confirming that my bread would be making my recipe look dryer! I was using bread flour from Walmart Canada and all of my recipes looked so much dryer than the video's I was watching people mix up. I finally thought maybe it was walmart compared to the brand name Robin Hood flour that was the problem. As soon as I starred to research it I saw the bread flour in the US is different than in Canada. I switched back to the Robon Hood all purpose and things are going way better. There wasn't enough moisture to make my bread rise. Also I was only mixing with the dough wisk and I think finishing the mix by hand definitely helps get the water all mixed in. So any Canadians use all purpose or add more water if it's just not rising during bulk fermentation. Thanks again for explaining this so well!

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By: Maurizio Leo https://www.theperfectloaf.com/sourdough-bread-high-protein-white-bread-flour/#comment-39691 Sat, 01 Feb 2025 16:24:47 +0000 https://www.theperfectloaf.com/?p=20414#comment-39691 In reply to Pete Schendel.

Pete, thanks for sharing your experience! Actually, while high protein flour (13.1%) can typically handle more water, it sounds like that hydration level might have been too much for that particular Montana Wheat flour. Each flour behaves differently, so don't hesitate to adjust the hydration down until you find what works best for your specific flour and environment. Glad you're exploring different combinations to find what works best for your taste. Looking forward to hearing how the beginner recipe turns out!

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By: Pete Schendel https://www.theperfectloaf.com/sourdough-bread-high-protein-white-bread-flour/#comment-39289 Sat, 18 Jan 2025 10:14:33 +0000 https://www.theperfectloaf.com/?p=20414#comment-39289 Sorry I had software issues with my previous comment and ended up purchasing a membership to see if that enabled me to comment with out continual interference. Guess what; it worked and I am back to finish my comment below.

I now suspect a lot of my problems with sourdough may have stemmed from using the high protein flour (13.1%). I did increase my hydration to around 80% but had a hard time working with the slack sticky dough. I even thought the stickiness was a result of overworking the dough and disrupting gluten web formation. I went to the internet and tried different techniques and different recipes, mostly without adding the commercial yeast as before. I always used the local Montana Wheat high protein flour and had to eliminate the 10% whole wheat flour to get reasonable open crumb. I decided the result tasted too much like "Wonderbread" lacking texture and flavor, so I went back to the Forkish hybrid yeast/levain bread and have gotten a bread with reasonable open crumb that has the taste and texture we like.

I am excited and hopeful to try your "beginner's" recipe, using high protein white and wheat flour; without the addition of commercial yeast, to see if I can get your results.

Thank you, Maurizio, for your work and insight in helping me understand the nuances involved in making sourdough bread. I look forward to reading more if not all of your articles for further insight.

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